What happened?
A defensive gaffe by Rollins in the 8th blew the game open as the Rays took game two against the Phillies.
Who did what?
Joe Blanton (4-4) took the loss, despite going seven strong innings. He gave up two runs on six hits, while walking two and striking out 10.
Jayson Werth went 1 for 3 with a homer (13) and an RBI.
Matt Garza (5-5) gave up three hits and one run in eight innings to earn the win. He walked three and struck out seven.
Carl Crawford went 2 for 4 with a double (13) and a run.
Carlos Pena went 1 for 3 with two runs.
Pat Burrell went 1 for 4 with a homer (2) and three RBIs.
Jason Bartlett went 1 for 4 with a run and two RBIs.
What does this mean?
Seven strong innings from the starter plus no offense plus boneheaded defense equals a game that should have been much closer.
On a game that could have turned out much differently if not for two gaffes by the Phils, they end up on the short end of a 7-1 loss, effectively putting a halt to any momentum that was built up in game one.
After Matt Garza walked the bases loaded in the fourth, Jayson Werth swung at the first pitch he saw and grounded into a 5-2-3 double play, putting an end to their rally.
It was in the eighth that they made their second mental mistake, Pat Burrell came to the plate with the bases loaded and two outs in a one-run game. Burrell grounded to shortstop, and instead of throwing across the diamond to get the slow-footed Pat, he decided to go the short way to second. As it happens, Ben Zobrist was hustling all the way and beat out the throw, which extended the inning and scored a run. The Rays would add two more runs on a bloop single, and another two later in the inning. With 3-4-5 coming up in the ninth inning, Jimmy’s gaffe was huge, and even that is an understatement.
It’s unfortunate, because Blanton was great over seven innings. But this script is all too familiar this season: Good pitching and bad hitting.
What’s next for our heroes?
In game three, Antonio Bastardo (2-2, 5.21) takes on Andy Sonnanstine (5-7, 6.60).
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June 24th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
one more first-pitch out- ESPECIALLY with runners on- and I might puke. And why Chan Ho Park with 2 outs, bases juiced? Even with his clutch-time struggles, I would take Madson in this spot 100 times over.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
was at this game, and want to share a couple observations
1. tropicana field isn’t really the dump everyone makes it out to be. it was weird seeing baseball indoors being played on something that looked like my grandparents carpet, but it was obvious the ownership put alot of money into trying to make the place as nice as possible. considering what theyre working with, it was a success.
2. i went into this game being totally indifferent to the rays. sure, last october they were the enemy, but in the regular season they are an afterthought. i walked out of this game hating them.
a) the blue wigs and cowbells and shit is so stupid. is it that fucking hard to cheer and clap without some sort of prop?
b) these people know nothing about baseball. some dude behind me kept yelling “nice catch stairs!” after burrells 2 run shot. as if stairs has bobbled it or something, rather than it sailing by 20 feet over his head. another dude started to go on at me about it taking 28 years to win a title since our last one. because the rays have EVER one a world series?
c) people in the parking lot celebrating a regular season win (a day after their starter gets lit the fuck up for 10 runs) like their team has just cured aids. i had assholes running up to me a yelling “we won!!!” while shaking their stupid fucking cowbells in my face. which team is sporting championship rings you fucking ass masters?
d) mets fans are more tolerable than these bandwagoners
3. gigantic HD pat burrell on the video board blew me a kiss. no lie.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
martin by the looks of the people they show on tv, tampa looks like a regular fucking circus. id definitely karate chop one of those posers right in the neck
June 24th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Disappointment.
That’s the word that comes to mind when looking at my scorecard for this game.
Amazement.
That’s the second word, when I look at the Line for both Blanton, and Garza. Truly, it was a pitchers duel up to the 8th, with both pitchers striking out a combined 17. 10 for Blanton, 7 for Garza. For Blanton, he’s been up to this as of late, striking out in bunches in his starts, and pitching rather well. for Garza, who’d gone six starts without a win, he made the PHILS Batts look amateur.
Some late struggles by J.C. Romero, and Chan-Ho Park really didn’t make me feel much better about the state of our Bullpen. In a time, where we really need someone to step up and solidify themselves as a reliable pitcher, it doesn’t appear to be happening. So it looks like we’ll need to coap for a while without Eyre, Condrey, and Lidge.
Jayson Werth, continues to bounce up and down on his actual value. One moment, he’s gold… the next, he’s tin foil. The ground into a DP with bases loaded, no outs was inexcusable. Especially when J-Dubb had just watched Garza walk three straight batters. Taking a pitch, is pretty much a requirement. But then Werth’s stock went up, when he launched a solo-shot to right field, accounting for the PHILS only run, and breaking up the shut-out. The whole season it’s been bitter-sweet with Werth. Everytime he seems to suck at the plate, he makes up for it in the field, or his next time up to Batt. If he could steady himself out, and become consistantly good, or even bad. It’d make sticking with him, a much easier decision. I’m hoping for good.
Jimmy Rollins… well, he still can’t hit the damned ball. Going 0-5 tonight… again. While I’ll continue to be patient with J-Roll, just like Old Cholly, my tolerance for poor hitting is running low. If he doesn’t find his batt, and within the next couple of games, I’m willing to bet Cholly drops him down in the order by the time we see the BRAVES.
Well… that’s it for tonight, hoping for greener pastures tommorow.
Oh… wait… one last thing. If anyone from CSN actually checks these blogs(I’m betting they don’t), please, please, please stop showing that assclown with the Blue Whig. We’ve seen enough of him to this point, and he doesn’t deserve the publicity coming to him.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Why the fuck has everyone turned into big pussies after winning a WS? Last year Rollins would be getting boo’d every night and this season he’s getting a loud applause when he’s announced in the lineup. Are you people kidding me? He is hitting .210. Unfortunately they can’t do anything because Eric Bruntlett is their backup SS.
Ruben Amaro is a MORON.
1. Why is Eric Bruntlett still on the team?
2. Why is Jack Taschner still on the team?
3. Why hasn’t he acquired a right handed hitter to pinchhit?
4. Why the FUCK are they carrying three catchers
The city turned soft and it’s pathetic
June 24th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
You’d think that by now, several of those fucktards would’ve fallen into the devil ray aquarium.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@martin atchet
I’m starting to believe their “fans” are delusional, given the things that I’ve seen. Add to that the fact, that Tropicana Field is right smack-dab in the center of Scientology’s Mecca of St. Petersberg/Clearwater, it makes sense to believe that they are indeed rather “Loose” in the skull.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Who the fuck cares about the Rays and their gay fans. focus that attention on Rollins sucking big black penis
June 24th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
@ Harry
About the three catchers, I think they’re still trying to package Coste to Colorado for Spillborghs.
You’re other three questions, I have no idea what’s running through Ruben’s mind.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Let’s see here. Harry has decided to call the GM a moron, and the fans of Philly a bunch of pussies. I didnt boo Rollins at the couple games I’ve gone to this year. Are you calling me a pussy? It’s one thing to be enthusiastic or colorful, and it’s another to be rude. You need to chill out, man.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:23 am
@Harry
Seriously dude… grab yourself a Beer, knock it back, and chill out. We’ve still got a lot of baseball ahead, while there were some really disappointing things in the game tonight, most of that came from the Fielding, and the Hitting. Two things, this team is usually great at, and will be great at again.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:30 am
on second thought, dont even bother responding, harry. I dont have the energy to get into a comment war. it’s bad enought that the Phils are having a horrible 2 weeks. no need to argue. let’s just try to enjoy this season together, win or lose.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:04 am
Harry’s points do carry some validity. I’m surprised he didn’t go apeshit with stats this time.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Don’t need stats to show that Eric Brunlett should be working at a McDonald’s. Although Gillick was not a hardcore stat guy, he liked players that stat people like – drawing walks, taking pitches. Amaro is very anti-stat… actually, he may not be anti-stats, just too incompetent to understand them . He has even said that the only defensive stat he looks at is fielding percentage – that’s scary
June 25th, 2009 at 1:30 am
NL East standings after games played on Wednesday, June 24th.
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Phillies: 37-32
Mets: 36-34 (1.5 GB)
Marlins: 37-36 (2 GB)
Braves: 34-37 (4 GB)
Hey Phillies…wanna explain this?
June 25th, 2009 at 1:51 am
@MikeY
Just goes to show… that if the PHILS would’ve won at home, they’d have ran away at the division at this point. But it’s not over yet folks.
Is it time to be pissed off?
Well, if you’re a PHILLIES Phan, then yes, you should be pissed off. It’s in our nature to be upset with anything, that isn’t winning.
But it’s not over, there’s still plenty of time for the PHILS to run away with the division, and worse comes to worse, they can always do what they did last year. Not that I want it to come down to that, seeing as how it’s no guarentee… but seriously people, relax a little. Things could be a whole lot worse.
June 25th, 2009 at 9:52 am
J-Roll is a ruh-tard
June 25th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I don’t look at the wild card, nor do I get that upset before the all star break. As for making a trade for a right handed bat, or the pitcher? Who else has done that? The market is different this year. With the gate that the Phils have been getting this year, maybe they can essentially buy someone, but it’s still unlikely. Too many teams are within striking distance of a good week or two to get into first place in some sort of race. There’s still over 5 weeks until the trade deadline. About the 3 catchers, yeah, I don’t know why they’re doing that. Bako hasn’t really impressed me to the point that he should be the third catcher. Maybe send Coste back down, but then you’re one less righty off the bench.
June 25th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Who said anything about a trade? There are free agents out there who are much better than Bruntlett/Tachner.
June 25th, 2009 at 11:10 am
harry i agree about taschner, but not bruntlett. hes a quality player than can do a little of everything. every team needs a utility man, and dobbs is not our guy. his defense is a 2 out of 10 because hes scared of the ball.
June 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am
@ Carlos Beltransexual– nice name…#1 on the Top Ten Gay Names for Mets Players! Good choice!
June 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Two years ago Jimmy Rollins won the MVP. Last year he won a Gold Glove and for better or worse was the leadoff hitter on a team that brought this city its first world championship in 25 years. Yes he’s done some stupid things in the past (not hustling, showing up late, calling out the fans, etc.), but his contributions to this team FAR outweigh the negatives. Every player slumps, sometimes for long stretches of time and I have no doubt that he will bounce back before the 2009 campaign is through. I, more than just about anyone, realize the value of a leadoff hitter with a high OBP, which James clearly does not have. Cholly needs to bump him down in the lineup so he can get his shit together and decide to keep him down or move him back up depending on how Sugar Shane and JWerth do in the leadoff hole. The man is struggling at the plate and when players dont perform, they shouldnt be cheered. Im not saying boo the guy out of town, but its ridiculous that he keeps getting cheered the way he does when he performs the way he is. I understand half of a season is a long time to slump but if you look at his career numbers hes noticeably better after the ASB. So everyone just be easy, enjoy the season, and remember that we are the WFC and we’re still in first in the division. GO PHILS!
June 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
You should realize, too, that some people are getting to a game for the first time this year, and really want to cheer their WFC’s. The crowds are biggest since they opened the Bank, and I can’t say too many of those people were here during this point of last year. I’m glad their coming, but they might be letting out something that’s been held back. But, on the flip side, they were not quiet last Saturday when Mad Dog blew the lead.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
@Watrick
That’s why I like the idea of General Knowledge Questions to be asked before admittance, to cut down on Bandwagon Fans. Granted… I know the idea of that is just insane, and will never happen, and probably shouldn’t. But Bandwagoner’s really do piss me off… I’d love to see a stadium filled with crazy, knowledgeable PHILLIES Phans at each game. Just like there was at the World Series.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Well, you’re going to have to deal with it, it’s what happens when you win. Don’t try to hate on them, try to educate them. Have a conversation and explain why Jason Werth throwing the ball in to the plate to keep the runner from scoring on a sac isn’t a great play because the runner on first advanced and now takes away 2 potential force outs.
Unless they’re drunk, then punch then in the junk.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
@Watrick. I generally do educate the lesser informed fans… and yeah, I know, gotta deal.
…just the Bandwagoners that could care less about Baseball, and just want to be there, because it’s the cool thing to do, piss me off. They’re the asswags that get drunk, and throw shit onto the field when they want some attention. Dollar Dog Days are the worst for these people.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I was so glad that they cut back to one beer per person on those nights. And what was with the assbagger that threw a nearly full beer at the Oriole on Saturday night? I was hoping they would throw him out of the stadium from his seat-probably the 400 level-right onto Pattison. He didn’t deserve the stairs.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
so do you think when Rollins batting average gets down to .175 Charlie will drop him in the order? Or he he still worried abour hurting Jimmys feelings? How about batting him 9th and the pitcher in the 8 spot. Sure worked for LaRusso and the Cardinals. But that could give Jimmy a social disorder problem. IT IS TIME TO TAKE CHARGE CHARLIE. You run the club…………….not Jimmy.
June 25th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Rollins is the most overrated player in my lifetime. His defense this year is average at best, his bat is missing in action, and his demeanor otherwise is pathetic. I would rather have Eric Brutnlett giving 100% than this current Jimmy Rollins who has made zero progress in changing his shortcomings.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
@Gaze
Rollins defense has been good this year as his UZR/50 is currently 4. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=971&position=SS#fielding He has been horrible on offense though. Unfortunately, the Phillies have no other options so all we can hope is that he turns it around soon.
Re: Eric Brunlett – no. He shouldn’t even be in the majors.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
@dave m
Rollins will find himself dropped in the order by the time the PHILS make it to Atlanta if he doesn’t show any signs of improvement during the Toronto Series. Just my prediction. I’m still hoping Jimmy can find himself before then, and get back to his .275/.300 self.
@Gaze
Wow… “The most overrated player in your lifetime” …? So… you’re two months old? Because… I mean, to make a statement like that, you’d have to be. For both statistical reasons, and for shear ineptitude of that comment. But… I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say you’re just a we bit frustrated with his lack of production this year. But… for funs sake, let’s do an introspective investigation into the matter.
Ehem…
Alright… Jimmy Rollins, the most overrated player in your lifetime, as you put it…
Has a career batting average of .275, where six of his nine full seasons have produced a Seasonal Average of .275 or higher.
In each of his nine full seasons he’s only averaging 150 hits, 13 homeruns, 9 triples, 32 doubles, 57 RBI’s, 88 runs scored, and 30 stolen bases.
Oh… and he has a career .983 Fielding average too. That’s just .008 points better, than arguably one of the greatest defensive Shortstops in MLB History, Derek Jeter. Yet… Jimmy Rollins is overrated.
Jimmy Rollins, in nine full seasons &two really bad months of his tenth season:
1524 Hits, 322 Doubles, 91 Triples, 131 Homeruns, 571 RBI’s, 305 Stolen Bases, a .275 Average, and a .983 Fielding Percentage. The Most Overrated Player in Gaze’s Lifetime.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
@Gaze.
But look… I understand your frustrated, and tired of J-Roll’s attitude towards his role as the Leadoff Batter. We all get frustrated.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
@PhiPhan5648-
Please take back your statement about Derek Jeter and his fielding escapades before steam shoots out my ears.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11042008/sports/yankees/worst_fielder_in_majors_136772.htm
Please read that and tell all of the Jeter lovers that you know how much he actually blows in the field. It must be the “look of a champion” in his eyes and his calming nature that wills his teammates to victory that makes people think hes even remotely decent in the field. Fuck Jeter, and fuck New York. The End.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
@PhiPhan – it’s hard to take you seriously when you think Jeter is good at defense. also, fielding percentage and RBIs are useless stats
June 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
@Jon. First of all… I hate New York, as much as anyone.
@Harry… it’s hard to take you seriously, when you’re flipping shit, about every little thing the PHILLIES do. Atop of that… you just said RBI’s are useless stats? Are you insane? How the fuck are RBI’s useless?
But alright… Jeter is the worse fielder in baseball. He has a .975 Percentage. But as comparison, Scott Rolen, who’s a 7 Time Gold Glover at third base, is ranked with a .966 Fielding Percentage. That’s way below what Rollins has.
@Both of you Assclowns. By arguing against my stat putup, both of you. Are then stating that Jimmy Rollins isn’t a good fielder? If so, then you both must be fucking insane.
June 25th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
damn… why won’t my reply post?
June 25th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
@Gaze
Might be server issues again.
June 25th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Well when they’re resolved, I have a pretty long retort… Just a pleasant debate, nothing personal :p
June 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
@Gaze.
Tis cool… my debate with you isn’t personal at all. Nothin I said was meant to make you look bad, or to piss you off.
June 26th, 2009 at 1:20 am
re: fielding percentage – Lets say I stand in one spot and only catch balls hit directly at me, and I have a fielding percentage of .999. Now compare that to a outfielder with good range who has a fielding percentage of .975. Pretty obvious who you would rather have.
re: rbi’s – another terrible stat because it depends on your teammates getting on base
re: you in general – you seem like that type who likes to argue over issues don’t know a lot about. why do people look at rbis/fielding percentage? it’s because those are the stats some people started years ago when the game first started. analysts have since come up with much better metrics for valuing a player. that’s why people hate stat guys – because when they are told rbis suck it’s like they were living a big lie their whole life.
if you actually had reading comprehension you would have seen that i said rollins is good at defense, but not because of his fielding percentage. it’s just one stat that doesn’t tell the whole story. what else do you go on? i’m guessing just your eyes.
June 26th, 2009 at 1:34 am
Statistics tell one story, my eyes tell another.
The fact that Jimmy puts up numbers and still doesn’t perform is precisely why I say he is the most overrated Phillies player of my lifetime (25 years).
Defensively, he has 2 gold gloves. I will, however, remember him as a player who occasionally makes a highlight reel play but frequently knocks the ball down and avoids errors. His Put out number frequently rate in the middle of the pack. In the last few years, I’d take Troy Tulowitzski or JJ Hardy over him defensively in the league. However, since there are very few players who have done what he has done over the last ten years, I will concede the defensive agrument.
Offensively he’s average. I remove 2007 as a statistical outlier. I won’t go as far as to blame PEDs, but whatever Jimmy did over those 162 games is not the same player as the other 9 years of his career. Regardless, shortstops who his .275 and steal 35 bases a season are not Hall of Famers in my book. They’re a dime a dozen. Here’s a statistic for you: .341 vs .329. That is Kevin Stocker’s OBP in Philly versus Jimmy’s. Their difference in R and RBI are as much a product of their supporting cast as they are anything else. Lead off hitters have the following obligations: 1. Take pitches so your teammates can witness what the pitcher is offering that day. 2. Get yourself on base so that a pitcher is off balance immediately. 3. Get yourself into scoring position so the big bats can do their job (Rolen-Burrell-Thome-Howard). 4. Score early so the other team is playing from behind. The fact that the Phillies win 90% of the games when Jimmy Rollins scores
should not be a surprise to anyone. That’s the case with just about every team in the league! Jimmy hasn’t fulfilled any of those obligations as a leadoff hitter.
Most importantly is that Jimmy has shown ZERO ability to improve himself as a leadoff hitter. I’d be willing to give him a year or two to find a grove, but nine seasons of professional baseball and he still can’t get on base at the same rate as his division foe’s leadoff hitters. Reyes, Ramirez, Escobar, and Guzman have all outperformed him as of late. He’ll go down in history to me as a guy who had more fun than just about anyone who ever played, but got lazy. I believe that 2009 Jimmy isn’t going to be the norm, but that he has certainly hit the wall and that his prime is behind him. I’m not asking anyone to agree with me or trying to convince anyone… just validating my own opinion.
This team has won in spite of Jimmy as much as they’ve won because of him.
June 26th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Gaze – your whole post is pretty much wrong. sorry but i would much rather rely on stats than your biased eyes. rollins is very good at defense, it is inarguable. also, to say he was just average offensively is wrong as well.
take a look at this http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=971&position=SS now scroll to the bottom as see the value he has created over his years. he is far from overrated
June 26th, 2009 at 1:49 am
Throwing me another set of statistics is less than convincing… Thanks. I’ll take my eyes over your formulas every day of the week.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
“I’ll take my eyes over your formulas every day of the week.”
stupid is as stupid does
June 26th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Who said Jimmy Rollins was a Hall of Famer? No one is saying he should have a statue built and put next to Michael Jack’s. All were trying to say is that you guys are overreacting quite a bit. I’ll take a SS who plays stellar defense, hits 15-20 HRs, and swipes 30 bags a season. We dont need Jimmy to be the savior of this team anymore with Howard, Utley, and Raul now carrying the load. You have to remember that the SS and 2B arent traditionally positions valued for their offensive production. We should consider ourselves lucky to have the kind of middle infield that we do because you dont find that everyday. He’s past his peak offensive numbers but hes still good enough to be a solid everyday SS for this team especially considering our alternatives.
When it comes to fielding in general, fielding percentage doesnt tell the whole story. Like Harry said, range has a lot to do with it and the reason you see Jimmy “knock a lot of balls down and avoid errors” is because hes so damn quick just getting to balls that most guys (Jeter) would let go through for hits because they simply could not catch up to them. Knocking the ball down can be very important with runners on base as this keeps them from advancing when the ball reaches the outfield.
The great thing about baseball is that a player can struggle for weeks on end and just when you think theyre washed up, something in their swing starts clicking and they catch fire. All it takes is that one minor adjustment and hes back hitting .275 by the end of the season.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
@Harry
Way to keep it classy and resort to personal insults.
@Jon
One minor adjustment…
a tall order for someone who’s never made an adjustment to his approach in 10 years. I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see it happening.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Gaze, I’m assuming you don’t watch every pitch of every game. So saying that you would rather trust your biased eyes over statistics which map every defensive play made by Rollins is just silly and warrents the response I gave to you.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Your assumptions are also wrong… and you’re still ranting about defense when no one was disputing his defensive attributes.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Listen, it doesn’t matter if you watch every pitch of every game. It’s impossible for your eyes to determine an attribute such as range while stats surely can. So saying your eyes are a better suited to judge a player’s value more so than stats is just silly and ignorant.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Quite the opposite. Your belief that statistics alone are capable of painting a total picture is ignorant.
And for the 3rd time, his defense is not a part of this argument.
June 27th, 2009 at 2:11 am
I’m glad I’m not going to get back into this one… I posted my response, and will stick to my guns about RBI’s being an important stat.
I’ll also refuse to dignify Harry with any replies at all. The guy’s just a dick, and not worth my time.
June 27th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
“I’m glad I’m not going to get back into this one… I posted my response, and will stick to my guns about RBI’s being an important stat.
I’ll also refuse to dignify Harry with any replies at all. The guy’s just a dick, and not worth my time.”
Translation: Yeah, I guess I never really thought of RBIs being a stat dependent on what your teammates do. Instead of acknowledging that it isn’t the best stat in the world to just a player’s true value, I’ll just continue to be stubborn and keep believing in stats invented by some dude in the 1900s who had know idea what the game of baseball was even about.
Now I’ll change to the third person. I’m a big man so I’ll refuse to respond to someone who probably knows more about me in baseball. But, despite me trying to act mature I’ll make sure to call Harry a dick.
June 27th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I love this thread.
June 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
harry is right about ribis sucking, although he doesnt need to come off as strong