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Bull. S- -t.

Posted by Chamomiles Davis at 2:52 pm ET 30 Comments

This, quite frankly, is a fucking disgrace.

No disrespect to Lou Piniella, but are we supposed to accept the fact that the manager of a team that won 97 games in the regular season — second most in either league –, and then proceeded to get swept by a team coming out of the worst division in baseball, is the best in the National League? Really?

To put it mildly, bullshit.

Charlie Manuel guided a Phillies team to their first 90-win season since 1993 and second consecutive division championship. Then, once in the playoffs — and here’s the big difference between Manuel and Piniella — his team did not get swept by an 84-win team in the first round.

Quite the opposite, in fact: the Phillies lost only one game in each round of the playoffs, which means that to the Baseball Writers Association of America, 0-3 is better than 11-3. Uh-huh. Mmmmmmm-hm.

Hey, BBWAA: You’re a gaggle of fucking morons, and you have ceded any and all credibility in the eyes of anyone who has a clue about what qualifies as Manager of the Year. Turn in your beer guts and hemorrhoids.

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30 Comments on “Bull. S- -t.”

gootman Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
They vote before the post season starts. I love Cholly, but the Cubs were pretty damn good in the regular season.
meech.one Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
In the BBWAA’s defense, they vote before the playoffs begin.

In your defense, the BBWAA are clearly a bunch of assholes. In the end though, Cholly got the good trophy.
Chamomiles Davis Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Rob Iracane reminded me about the timing when these votes are cast, and so I stand corrected. But that merely exposes the stupidity of this process. Shouldn’t the best manager in either league be capable of maneuvering their team successfully through both the regular AND postseasons? Why does voting have to take place before the final game of the season? Are they using carrier pigeons to deliver their ballots? Does movable type take that long to assemble on a pressing board? Get a BlackBerry for Christ’s sake, you walking anachronisms.

If voting was based solely on how many games you’ve won, then Mike Scoscia should have won the AL MOY. Maddon’s award at least makes sense in terms of his team’s dramatic turnaround, but the Cubs were expected to win the National League, weren’t they? Manuel had to coach in a division that many “experts” had already handed to the Mets after they acquired Johan Santana.

The fact that Charlie managed to fend off yet another New York surge late in the season, despite numerous stumbles and shakeups in the rotation, alone should have merited that MOY status be conferred upon him. But no, let’s hand the award to the manager who did exactly what everyone expected him to do in the first place… except win a single playoff game.

God, I hate sportswriters.
meech.one Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I agree wholeheartedly.

But I will say that these awards should reflect how well you fared in the regular season. When you look back at any significant record in baseball, postseason numbers aren’t even included in the totals.

The postseason gives out it’s own award. And we got that shit, yo.
meech.one Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Actually, the biggest outrage is that Dale Sveum — and his fucking 10 games managed this year — got one third place vote for Manager of the Year.

Whoever cast that vote (I imagine he/she is from Milwaukee) should not only get their vote taken away permanently, but he/she should be executed via guillotine.
The Juggernaut Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
It’s gonna be an even bigger joke when Albert Pujols wins the NL MVP.
Kevin Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Pujols may win the MVP, but that may be because Lidge and Howard split the Phillies vote, much like how two college football players from the same school will split the vote for Heisman.
joebob2k10 Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
The cubs had the highest payroll in the NTL League, they should have had the best record. Cholly took it in the A$$ worse then his last prostate exam.
Hummer Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
@ Juggernaut and/or anybody

out of sheer curiosity, what the Fuck has Pujols done this year? I have heard not a single fucking word about a goddamn thing he did all year, AND he was on a 4th place team. so fuck Pujols. MVP for Black Lava
Rick Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Anybody that shits on Pujols’ stats should try and look them up someday.
Sure, Howard hit alot of homers and RBI’s, but if he was half as consistent as Pujols, he’d have 80 Homers 200 RBI’s, not to mention that the Phils were in first place when Howard was balls and when Howard was good.
And besides, Howard + 2 MVP’s + Arbitration = 30+ million bucks a year
Phils Phan Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Recall that Fukudome was an All-Star, and PtB was not, also.

Yeah, that worked out well, too.
Justin Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Pujols did his job all year long. Sure, Howard hit more HRs and knocked in more RBIs, but because of the rest of his lineup, he had a shit load of more opportunities with more runners on base.

RBIs are a great job, but when Howard wasn’t knocking those runners in to start the year, Burrell did. Someone was bound to knock them in whether it’d be the #4 or #5 hitter.

Personally, I’d rather Pujols win so Howard’s price doesn’t rise even more.

Howard has a WS trophy. That’s all he needs.
Jayson Werth his weight in gold Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 1:00 am
The reason that the playoff don’t count is that back in the day (when these voting rules were brought down from the mountain on stone tablets) there was no playoffs. Win the pennant and play in the World Series, there was no post season to speak of. That said, this is the year 2008 and there is a long ass fucking post season, so maybe MLB should *gasp* adapt.

Lidge and Cholly got boned, Big Brown is next to get disrespected by the national media.
Justin Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 6:36 am
A closer should never, ever win the Cy Young.
Gaze Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 9:11 am
The problem is that the BBWAA looks primarily at statistical numbers and not situations. Tim Lincecum for example had almost half of his starts against the Padres, Rockies, and Diamondbacks. Three teams who were good for nothing but padding stats. Brad Lidge having to face the Mets, Braves, and Marlins on a regular basis and being flawless against them is more impressive, IMO.
maria Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 9:17 am
http://wheels4hof.blogspot.com/

this website is crazy. I had no idea there were actual Chris Wheeler fans.

They should make some kind of reliever’s or closer’s award. Other than comeback player of the year, Lidge won’t get anything else; same goes for K-Rod.
meech.one Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Yeah, maria, that website is fantastic. Wheels Bingo is a must for any broadcast. Unfortunately, it has only been updated once in the Aught Eight.
newenglandtransplant Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 10:30 am
“I see it this way: Someone who doesn’t take his team to the playoffs doesn’t deserve to win the MVP.” – Albert Pujols
How do you spell retard? Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Looks like I’m going to have to add awesomeness to Wheels’ Wiki as well.

Wheels4Hof < ChrisWheelerGlossary
How do you spell retard? Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 10:42 am
@Hummer

Finally, my Ryan Howard nickname is catching on! That’s at least the second time I’ve heard it on here!

“Black Lava, drifting down the mountainside
Black Lava, you can’t fight”
/Sigurd Wongraven’d
jeffluriesatanspawn Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 10:45 am
They vote on the award before the playoffs. Quit crying, I’m sure uncle charlie would much rather have a world series ring and the cities respect
jd Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 11:25 am
we got hardware and fingerbling. everything after that is just trimmings. and i think charlie knows that.
Tartan69 Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Who gives a flying fuck, we won the World Series.
nonviolentjay Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
I just got an email from the Phillies to vote for Lidge for closer of the year. Evidently, they do have their own award. I’m sure if you go on the Phils’ website there is a link. In fact here it is:

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2008/tyib/index.jsp
Eli Cash Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
No offense – and I’m a Phillies fan – somebody who doesn’t know how the MLB award process works, shouldn’t be posting articles about baseball.
Lynniemac Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Last time I checked, there was no test on the MLB award process required for posting opinions about baseball on the internet.
The Phunyun Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
@ Eli Cash

No offense, but if people worried about this so called “knowledge” thing you speak then the whole blogging world would die. And then Buzz Bissinger would win.

Also, no boobs today? What gives?
millertime Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
miles, i like your style.
Lazarus Says:
November 14th, 2008 at 4:43 am
Eli, you can join Stephen A Smith in lamenting the lack of formal education required to blog. I’m happy these guys do it. (Thanks fellows, I rarely post, but stop by every day)

Anyway, this really doesn’t surprise me, as most of the media has had a hard on for the Cubs all season, and the Mets after that. Our guys really upset some apple carts. I mean, they were supposed to finish second to the Mets, then they were supposed to (probably) beat the Brewers and lose to the Dodgers, and of course they were supposed to get pummeled by the Rays. Well.. we all saw how that worked out. Now I know that these are regular season awards, but it should have be indicative of how the media views our club and their achievements. That is to say, not kindly.

The one that’s gonna piss me off is when they vote Albert king of the NL again. NO ONE was more important to his club than Lidge this last season.
ill Says:
November 14th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Charlie will be right there on the bench helping Lou coach the NL All Stars, I am sure of that.

I think the fact that Fook has the entire city of Philadelphia on his side, chanting his fucking name, is a much better award than a lame ass Manager of the Year award. You think Pinella is happy with a MOY award instead of a fucking WFC Trophy? Sweet Lou would love to be in Charlie’s shoes.